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Above all one might discuss the question what in the world the Forms
contribute to sensible things, either to those that are eternal or
to those that come into being and cease to be; |
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But, further, all other things cannot come from the Forms in any
of the usual senses of 'from'. |
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Again, it would seem impossible that substance and that whose substance
it is should exist apart; |
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In the Phaedo the case is stated in this way - that the Forms are causes
both of being and of becoming. |